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Hopey, that section is not well written so you have ended up reading it wrong. You do not need to have a ride certification before you can pay. The part "ATTACH A COPY OF THEIR CONFIRMATION" refers to Paypal confirmation, not IBA confirmation. The part about purchasing Iron Butt items reads like you must have had the ride certified already, but that is not the case. It just means that to buy e.g.a SS1600K badge, you must at least be submitting a SS1600 for certification, not just buying items after a personal or informal ride.
Find the amount you have to pay from the IBA website (e.g. USD$45 or something*).
Go to Paypal and pay the $45 to paypal@ironbutt. Download the paypal receipt/confirmation.
Attach that rec/confirmation to your submission email along with your witness forms, fuel receipts (DBRs), fuel log etc.
Click 'send' and submit the lot.
* the IBA website will have other items that you may want to purchase (T-shirt, hat.. whatever) so do it all in the one total paypal payment and make note of the items in your submission.
Money talks Hopey.
As Ox has pointed out that payment section is poorly worded. Your not the first to ponder this. Some of the big dogs from many years passed gave the incorrect interpretation to new chums which I'm sure was pivotal in very long and difficult certification pathways.
Pay when you lodge your documents. is my advice.
Cameron the States with a Twist is a very open format in so much as it invited a rider to undertake a visit to some places with quirky names and
add some reason to mix states. Its not lame. It has as good a reason as any other ride to go do it. The twist goes deeper for once you read those rules of the ride you will note it opens the door to research extending this to pick up many more of those US state names. And if your up for it then fetching further afield to include all our mainland states. This ride provides the new and not so new an IBA rider room to do a little extra in the planning and offers scope in the route selection much like the answer to a rally question is after all part of the fun. You can add more states.
I have a "States with a Twist" ride route planned that includes all those place names Ox has mentioned and a good number more. Its a ride plan I go back to when I just want to go hunt interesting things to find in google maps. Pondered this one for years.
Just note a condition of the ride. They do need to be places that exist and not business's names similar to US state names just painted on the wall of a shop. That requirement for a place brings up the opportunity to perhaps even do some recon which in itself gets you out on the bike regardless..
Example;
There's a place name for a US state which is the home of Albuquerque. It may or may not have a sign for the place name if first viewed on google. But then does google have it in the right place? Recon will give you that answer.
See that's part of the fun of this ride.
I've not ever considered nesting this ride with another theme ride because theme rides are different animals each and every one. They do in my opinion merit singular individual attempts.
That's my opinion and perhaps differs from many others.
Cameron its probably best to view the distances (SS1600,SS2000,BB25 and so on) as the tools to achieve the ride.
View the locations, destinations, themes, RTEs ,Musters, Memorials etc as the reasons to ride.
None of any of it is lame.
As Ox has pointed out that payment section is poorly worded. Your not the first to ponder this. Some of the big dogs from many years passed gave the incorrect interpretation to new chums which I'm sure was pivotal in very long and difficult certification pathways.
Pay when you lodge your documents. is my advice.
Cameron the States with a Twist is a very open format in so much as it invited a rider to undertake a visit to some places with quirky names and
add some reason to mix states. Its not lame. It has as good a reason as any other ride to go do it. The twist goes deeper for once you read those rules of the ride you will note it opens the door to research extending this to pick up many more of those US state names. And if your up for it then fetching further afield to include all our mainland states. This ride provides the new and not so new an IBA rider room to do a little extra in the planning and offers scope in the route selection much like the answer to a rally question is after all part of the fun. You can add more states.
I have a "States with a Twist" ride route planned that includes all those place names Ox has mentioned and a good number more. Its a ride plan I go back to when I just want to go hunt interesting things to find in google maps. Pondered this one for years.
Just note a condition of the ride. They do need to be places that exist and not business's names similar to US state names just painted on the wall of a shop. That requirement for a place brings up the opportunity to perhaps even do some recon which in itself gets you out on the bike regardless..
Example;
There's a place name for a US state which is the home of Albuquerque. It may or may not have a sign for the place name if first viewed on google. But then does google have it in the right place? Recon will give you that answer.
See that's part of the fun of this ride.
I've not ever considered nesting this ride with another theme ride because theme rides are different animals each and every one. They do in my opinion merit singular individual attempts.
That's my opinion and perhaps differs from many others.
Cameron its probably best to view the distances (SS1600,SS2000,BB25 and so on) as the tools to achieve the ride.
View the locations, destinations, themes, RTEs ,Musters, Memorials etc as the reasons to ride.
None of any of it is lame.
@Gatey - I doubt I'm in a position to consider the ride lame or otherwise. I have considered the 'distance options' and the various themes as 'reasons to ride' and while I understand the reasoning behind the limitations (albeit limited) of nesting rides (e.g. can't nest a SS1600K inside a BBG2500 but you can nest a SS1600K inside a BB2500K) I wasn't sure how it would work for themed rides where the requirements (in terms of the theme are quite different) were mutually met - effectively a 'two birds with one stone' scenario.
As for Albuquerque - I was just looking at that...
Gatey, I disagree with your reading of the rules for the 'Twist'.
Up above in my post I made a suggestion to go looking for more 'states' (Australian towns with USA state names), offered a few convenient examples and indicated there may be more. I believe that should have been the purpose of this particular themed ride in the first place. That would or could lead to some worthy research and worthy rides to far flung places.
However, the rules as written encourage visiting more Australian states, NOT towns with USA state names (c.f. "4-5-6-7", "5 states on the Australian mainland", "2 places on the mainland, named after states in the U.S.", "visit all 7", "visit Kentucky and Texas"). https://www.ironbutt.com/themerides/twist/
So this ride only refers to visiting:
- Kentucky NSW, Texas QLD;
- as many Australian states as your route provides.
As for the reference to the US state that is home to Albuquerque (New Mexico), I was unable to find a sign - even just painted on a shop wall - when searching for one in the 'locality' of New Mexico west of Manilla, NSW for my personal "4th of July - 49 states of the USA" ride during the 2017 IBR. Congratulations on finding a sign if you have.
Up above in my post I made a suggestion to go looking for more 'states' (Australian towns with USA state names), offered a few convenient examples and indicated there may be more. I believe that should have been the purpose of this particular themed ride in the first place. That would or could lead to some worthy research and worthy rides to far flung places.
However, the rules as written encourage visiting more Australian states, NOT towns with USA state names (c.f. "4-5-6-7", "5 states on the Australian mainland", "2 places on the mainland, named after states in the U.S.", "visit all 7", "visit Kentucky and Texas"). https://www.ironbutt.com/themerides/twist/
So this ride only refers to visiting:
- Kentucky NSW, Texas QLD;
- as many Australian states as your route provides.
As for the reference to the US state that is home to Albuquerque (New Mexico), I was unable to find a sign - even just painted on a shop wall - when searching for one in the 'locality' of New Mexico west of Manilla, NSW for my personal "4th of July - 49 states of the USA" ride during the 2017 IBR. Congratulations on finding a sign if you have.
OK - interesting interpretations (What can of worms did I open this time?). So, is the intent (as is currently written) to visit Kentucky and Texas only plus some Australian states to give a maximum of 7 states, or could a '10 state' be awarded if Virginia (QLD), Texas (QLD), Kentucky(NSW), New Mexico (NSW), Wyoming (NSW), Maryland(NSW), and Vermont(VIC) were visited or even an '11 state" if Virginia(Qld) was swapped out for Virginia(SA)? (not as currently written but potentially within the spirit and/or intent). This would mean that the max would be a '12 state' (mainland) if ridden as (say) a SS4000K (or 13 if you could somehow work out how to squeeze in Tassie...)
Cameron I think you, Gatey and I would like to maximize this ride and get as many Oz states and US states as possible. That would be a proper themed ride.
Go for it. Ride them all, have fun out there and submit it. When you are done. At the very least you will get the 4 States with a Twist cert and as it says in the rules any IBA distance-based ride will be accepted if you meet the requirements.
Go for it. Ride them all, have fun out there and submit it. When you are done. At the very least you will get the 4 States with a Twist cert and as it says in the rules any IBA distance-based ride will be accepted if you meet the requirements.
So do I go to the https://ibaestore.com/forgot.php
well I tried to logon there but I don't exist but I'm logged on here
this is getting so hard - hahah
Hopey
sent support an email
well I tried to logon there but I don't exist but I'm logged on here
this is getting so hard - hahah
Hopey
sent support an email
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I did check all the US states against Google today and that was the list I came up with (although Google Maps doesn't know of Virginia, SA for some reason...). I have an idea re: evidencing New Mexico - just have to get up there to check whether my 'thought bubble' is correct. If anyone knows of more places - I'd be interested in knowing (not using names of business etc as I don't think they would qualify as 'locations' per IBA rules).
Google maps knows of Virginia, SA (https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.6682109,138.5582871,2572m/data=!3m1!1e3?authuser=0). Its a proper town with Post office, school, Woolies and the Adelaide International Raceway.
There is yet another Virginia: in the Northern Territory (but the NT is not a state) that has a local volunteer fire station, but the handful of other 'US states' I have encountered when researching don't have any signs I could find.
So with 50 USA states it seems there are, lets see: Kentucky, Texas, Maryland, Vermont, Virginia, Virginia, Virginia and Wyoming that you can 'obtain proof' via standard DBR. Considering that double dipping on the Australian states would seem poor form on this ride, I'd suggest only one Virginia should count so there are about 12% of the USA states available.
Imagine if there was a 'colours of the rainbow ride' that required only one colour to complete (14%). That, too would be a lame idea.
There is yet another Virginia: in the Northern Territory (but the NT is not a state) that has a local volunteer fire station, but the handful of other 'US states' I have encountered when researching don't have any signs I could find.
So with 50 USA states it seems there are, lets see: Kentucky, Texas, Maryland, Vermont, Virginia, Virginia, Virginia and Wyoming that you can 'obtain proof' via standard DBR. Considering that double dipping on the Australian states would seem poor form on this ride, I'd suggest only one Virginia should count so there are about 12% of the USA states available.
Imagine if there was a 'colours of the rainbow ride' that required only one colour to complete (14%). That, too would be a lame idea.
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Interesting comments.
The ‘States With a Twist’ ride was was formulated by one of our own IBA riders to add a fun and creativity into a ride.
I agree, wording is not ideal (Ver: 1.0) but no-one has previously suggested in improving wording to the rules.
@OX-34 Due to my graphic background, I was asked to create the certificate logo as reflected in the rules, ‘Special certificates has been designed here in Australia by Skidoo, so they reflect the local flavour’. I had nothing to do with the initial ride as reflected in your initial post.
The ‘States With a Twist’ ride was was formulated by one of our own IBA riders to add a fun and creativity into a ride.
I agree, wording is not ideal (Ver: 1.0) but no-one has previously suggested in improving wording to the rules.
@OX-34 Due to my graphic background, I was asked to create the certificate logo as reflected in the rules, ‘Special certificates has been designed here in Australia by Skidoo, so they reflect the local flavour’. I had nothing to do with the initial ride as reflected in your initial post.
OK - having gone back over the thread I've come to the following conclusion. @hagar invented the ride (2014?), @Skidoo has riden it and done the artwork. New Mexico was identified as a possible location and discounted in 2016, then Virginia. Post #30 I believe is the key - in which 'The Inventor' stated "Well there you go, Wyoming in NSW, never found that place in my search for the ride. Now someone can go there, get a docket and " Eight States etc etc" has been born." - so the intent is clear, the rules just didn't get written that way.
So, if there were to be a change to the rules, could I suggest:
1. In Background, simply add '...' after the '7' and before the 'States' to indicate it is open ended (to the extent possible).
2. In Background, 2nd paragraph be amended to read "Furthermore, there are many locations in Australia which share names with States in the U.S., with Kentucky in New South Wales (NSW) and Texas in Queensland (QLD) being the first two identified in the originating ride."
3. In Background, paragraph 5, 1st sentence, after 'states' add '(including locations with the same name as that of U.S. states)'.
4. In Background, paragraph 5, delete the last sentence commencing with 'Alas' and create a new line version which states 'To date, I have not found any IBA ride that would allow travel time between the mainland and Tasmania, however this does not specifically exclude the island state of Tasmania from being included should an IBA certifiable ride be identified in the future.'
5. In Rules, delete 'in the town' at the end of the first sentence and replace with 'at the location'.
The above would appear to preserve the integrity of the 'original ride' (as well as any others certified thereafter) and the 'original intent' as well as the 'extended intent' covered off in post #30. It removes the specific exclusion of Tasmania being included if someone were to work out how to do it.
Happy to be shot down in flames
- Cameron
P.S. The above doesn't deal with the multiple Virginias (but I think logic says you can only use any 'location' once - happy to attempt to word in something if people think it needs to be explicitly stated as there is nothing in the IBA rules that state that a single location can't be used multiple times in a ride). It also prevents a 3 States version which could be done using two US names and a single (in state) Australian state (preserving the original intent).
So, if there were to be a change to the rules, could I suggest:
1. In Background, simply add '...' after the '7' and before the 'States' to indicate it is open ended (to the extent possible).
2. In Background, 2nd paragraph be amended to read "Furthermore, there are many locations in Australia which share names with States in the U.S., with Kentucky in New South Wales (NSW) and Texas in Queensland (QLD) being the first two identified in the originating ride."
3. In Background, paragraph 5, 1st sentence, after 'states' add '(including locations with the same name as that of U.S. states)'.
4. In Background, paragraph 5, delete the last sentence commencing with 'Alas' and create a new line version which states 'To date, I have not found any IBA ride that would allow travel time between the mainland and Tasmania, however this does not specifically exclude the island state of Tasmania from being included should an IBA certifiable ride be identified in the future.'
5. In Rules, delete 'in the town' at the end of the first sentence and replace with 'at the location'.
The above would appear to preserve the integrity of the 'original ride' (as well as any others certified thereafter) and the 'original intent' as well as the 'extended intent' covered off in post #30. It removes the specific exclusion of Tasmania being included if someone were to work out how to do it.
Happy to be shot down in flames
- Cameron
P.S. The above doesn't deal with the multiple Virginias (but I think logic says you can only use any 'location' once - happy to attempt to word in something if people think it needs to be explicitly stated as there is nothing in the IBA rules that state that a single location can't be used multiple times in a ride). It also prevents a 3 States version which could be done using two US names and a single (in state) Australian state (preserving the original intent).
Hi Cameron and all our riders,
Firstly for you Cameron, thank you for your suggested changes and they have been forwarded onto IBA Australia Management Team for consideration.
May we ask, that should other riders, have suggestions regarding the update of Australian Specific Rides that you forward these onto our contact email address as shown on our web page, cheers
Firstly for you Cameron, thank you for your suggested changes and they have been forwarded onto IBA Australia Management Team for consideration.
May we ask, that should other riders, have suggestions regarding the update of Australian Specific Rides that you forward these onto our contact email address as shown on our web page, cheers
@tj189 - no worries. I put the suggestions here for discussion first given that a number of members have posted on the topic and the questions being asked seem to go back to 2016. I recognise the significant experience of the riders here who are likely to identify something I hadn't thought of, again, why the suggestion was posted here first.
Its interesting how interpretation and context at a given time can be a different fit again in a few years.
Ox I have always seen this ride as one offering expansion just from reading those rules and the comments and a couple of rrs back in the day.
Had I lodged the first ss1600 I rode for this ride chasing up Wyoming, Texas, Kentucky, Virginia, SA, QLD, NSW and Vic on your interpretation and those rules quoted I doubt it would have met with a poor response. But it would have had an extra US state. I honestly took the intent and other supporting evidence at the time to go hunt states with a twist.
So it shows the value of this thread topic.
Cameron you will have noticed New Mexico Area perimeter on google. A sign existed along Bora Creek Rd in the vicinity of the reserve. Its not visible from the Bora Creek road. I only found it while checking some dog traps. Its due south.
Personaly I would be resorting to a SPOT ping and a Photo at the junction of Rangari, Faulks? and Nioka Rd and grabbing a DBR in Manilla
Ox I have always seen this ride as one offering expansion just from reading those rules and the comments and a couple of rrs back in the day.
Had I lodged the first ss1600 I rode for this ride chasing up Wyoming, Texas, Kentucky, Virginia, SA, QLD, NSW and Vic on your interpretation and those rules quoted I doubt it would have met with a poor response. But it would have had an extra US state. I honestly took the intent and other supporting evidence at the time to go hunt states with a twist.
So it shows the value of this thread topic.
Cameron you will have noticed New Mexico Area perimeter on google. A sign existed along Bora Creek Rd in the vicinity of the reserve. Its not visible from the Bora Creek road. I only found it while checking some dog traps. Its due south.
Personaly I would be resorting to a SPOT ping and a Photo at the junction of Rangari, Faulks? and Nioka Rd and grabbing a DBR in Manilla
As the Virginias are in 3 different states I think it should stay in as one or all three if your mad enough.
There are I recall two Vermont's. One however is Vermont South or South Vermont as the locals refer. As in the Remark example don't be caught out.
I once saw a fruit box of Oranges marked Iowa Oranges. It had an address marked clearly on the box with Iowa SA. I've not found that place.
There are I recall two Vermont's. One however is Vermont South or South Vermont as the locals refer. As in the Remark example don't be caught out.
I once saw a fruit box of Oranges marked Iowa Oranges. It had an address marked clearly on the box with Iowa SA. I've not found that place.
Sorry Karl I meant no offence. I recall the concept of a 'couple of Aussies over a few reds' as the spark for some of our Australia Specific IBA and took this one to be part of that series. HAGAR did mention that the IBA was happy with the original version.
I'm not privvy to the inner sanctum that gets to be happy or unhappy on the IBA's behalf. If, as you say, you had nothing to do with the initial ride, just out of interest how many people are or were in the position to sanction it in the first place?
I'm not privvy to the inner sanctum that gets to be happy or unhappy on the IBA's behalf. If, as you say, you had nothing to do with the initial ride, just out of interest how many people are or were in the position to sanction it in the first place?