Mapping software for specific route planning

#1
Is anyone ready for another mapping thread?
I am wanting some experience based opinions on the best software for planning routes.
Google maps certainly does the job but in my eyes it has two issues:
1. Google only allows 10 waypoints including start and finish. This pretty severely limits how specifically you can tune a longer route.
2. A specific route can't be saved. You can drag and drop routes until they are exactly right, but if you export it, it recalculates the "best" route later on your device. It also constantly tries to optimize the route as you ride which is both annoying and distracting. You could add waypoints to get around this if not for issue #1 :rolleyes:

I want to plan a specific route then have my phone navigate me through that same route optimizations be damned. I will reference Google maps in the process, but don't want to rely on it for mapping the whole trip .
One day, maybe, I will have a dedicated Garmin GPS and can use BaseCamp, but for now it needs to be software for my iPhone.
I like Scenic but at $45/yr they're a bit pricey (in 9 years I might as well have just bought the Garmin). Scenic can also get glitchy on longer routes.
I've heard good things about Rever, but the common complaint seems to be that the navigation interface is poor.

What is your planning software of choice? Any tips or tricks your experience warrants sharing?
"You'll never be happy until you buy the Garmin" is an ok answer too.

On my last ride I knew my route well enough I could say "screw you Goog, I'm not turning until I get to ___ city". Still frustrating though and I certainly don't want to rely on my memory for a longer rider (e.g. RAT currently planning...).
 

Frenchman

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#2
I am messing around with Furkot. You can use it on your phone and a personal computer. It uses any number of routing options but you have all the points saved in the Furkot map.
 

EricV

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#3
You won't be happy when you buy the Garmin either, (potentially). It's going to do the same things, tell you to turn when you don't want to, need to, or have any reason to and sometimes tell you to turn when you planned to.

Not joking, have you considered a roll chart? There are real benefits to paying attention to where you actually are. There are also benefits to the GPS and they work ok at some things.

Phones aren't designed to be mounted, don't like water, heat, vibration or cold.

You don't always want a "long route". The plan rarely survives that long and you're just modifying it anyway.

What you're sort of asking for is tracks, not routes. Tracks only go where you plan them, never deviate or recalculate. However, tracks don't give you turn by turn directions either, only a line to follow and arrows pointing where you should go.
 
#4
Eric, This is good idea and may actually be the way I want to go. As the oldest 27yr old in the world (I get an actual newspaper) I'm certainly not opposed to following paper directions. Turn by turn is nice in larger cities where exits are easy to miss and last minute lane changes are risky at best.

Modern phones are OK with the right mount. Scenic allows exactly what I want, just lacks computer interface (you have to plan on your phone) and it's getting pricey.
I might still prefer to have Google running for turn-by-turn in specific areas but otherwise stick to a simpler list of directions (roll chart).
 

EricV

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#5
I use a combo of an auto GPS, (cheaper and 90% as effective as moto-specific), mounted on the bike and written notes for turn by turn. Advantages of the GPS is that you can see roads coming up, and potentially un-signed, on the screen. Written turn by turn ensures you stay on the route you wanted. Your phone would do much of the same.

Down side, it's time consuming to write/type the route out if you're covering multi-day rides. The mapping software is often wrong and contains errors. Diligent verification means a lot of time and catching the errors, plus not making your own. Like when Garmin or Google will tell you to turn right into a field or down a two track when the major intersection is 100 yards farther up the road.
 
#6
I turn off the recalculate option on my Garmin's routes to prevent it from trying to correct things while I'm on a ride.

As far as planning, one app I see frequently cited by other Garmin users is the MyRoute App. They typically are exporting their routes to their Garmins, but I gather they much prefer planning their routes in MRA than other tools. You may have to spring for a Gold sub to really get it to work well for you.

I've also seen Kurviger cited quite frequently.

Unfortunately, can't really provide any actual experience as I find Basecamp and my GPS units to be a good combo.
 

EddyC

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#7
One CAN use 10+ waypoints in Google Maps:

Insert your 10 waypoints in Google Maps...
Go to the "Https://....." at the top of the page....
Find the @-sign somewhere at the end of the address...
insert a "+/" just before the @-sign (without the " " of course...)
Press Enter/Return...
Now you have the opportunity to insert waypoint #11...
Repeat for #12 etc...

Good luck!
Ed.
 

EddyC

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#8
I have tried different implementations of routing software and/or routing results on different hardware platforms.

That means also that I sometimes simply scribble on a piece of paper and stick that to my tankbag in order to go where I want (kiss).
On the other hand, I occasionally ride "fully armed" and use two Garmin satnavs at the same time, each with a different purpose.
Sometimes I explore the route in Google Maps as to know where the obstacles are, but mostly I work in BaseCamp (or vice versa).
As a backup (in case I ride "naked" without my equipment) I have an old Android phone stored under the seat with OsmAnd+ offline charts.

If I can get my hands on a *gpx file (mailed, downloaded or self-made) all options are open:
- transfer to satnav (Garmin, any brand..) and ride the track or convert to a route
- send to phone and import to gps-app (the ones that accept gpx imports)
- open in Basecamp/Mapsource/Kurviger/MyRouteApp .... and edit, transfer to device, print screen, mail it...
- copy the computer screen with the track/route and print it (insert distances from starting point or to destination to know where you are)...
- etc.

Btw: I always carry a paper map - that never runs out of power or crashes due to a bug...

Best routing app?
I really wouldn't know... :confused:
Best of luck!
Ed.
 
#10
One CAN use 10+ waypoints in Google Maps:

Insert your 10 waypoints in Google Maps...
Go to the "Https://....." at the top of the page....
Find the @-sign somewhere at the end of the address...
insert a "+/" just before the @-sign (without the " " of course...)
Press Enter/Return...
Now you have the opportunity to insert waypoint #11...
Repeat for #12 etc...

Good luck!
Ed.
Eddy,

Neat trick. Below is a potential eclipse run with 18 stops. The @ sign is before all the GPS coordinates.

-Mark

Spaces to break the link so the whole text displays.

https://www.google.com /maps/dir/Clearview+General+Store/bp/Hy-Vee+Fast+%26+Fresh/Love's+Travel+Stop/Kum+%26+Go/Shell/Speedway/Marathon+Gas/9661+W+100+N,+Farmland,+IN+47340/Shell/Shell/Marathon+Gas/Holiday+Stationstores/Holiday+Stationstores/Circle+K/Holiday,+2432+London+Rd,+Duluth,+MN+55812/Clearview+General+Store,+5323+MN-61,+Lutsen,+MN+55612/@43.6564879,-94.2533868,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m104!4m103!1m5!1m1!1s0x52a6332052b03f75:0xe62733d548e09ada!2m2!1d-90.675011!2d47.647445!1m5!1m1!1s0x52b1f1dff4f059d1:0x308cf084700cda85!2m2!1d-92.830456!2d46.31701!1m5!1m1!1s0x87f6f720373a473f:0x9fa960a24abd826!2m2!1d-93.2991653!2d44.2950775!1m5!1m1!1s0x87ee103b2a49f9b3:0x4c74f678db309464!2m2!1d-93.5718821!2d42.3114906!1m5!1m1!1s0x87e4723d60e93b73:0xc2d20e30f489c702!2m2!1d-91.3476278!2d41.6614626!1m5!1m1!1s0x880b078606042cc5:0xfe186970392dde5e!2m2!1d-89.275326!2d40.627341!1m5!1m1!1s0x8812d7d91b99d94d:0x24f934e44bcdbcc0!2m2!1d-86.9057728!2d40.0754369!1m5!1m1!1s0x88154296307fd409:0x6d6dfe69a79bc199!2m2!1d-85.1282941!2d40.1934725!1m5!1m1!1s0x881542454241addf:0x386e6437099c8ef9!2m2!1d-85.1595012!2d40.1781419!1m5!1m1!1s0x8817e326ae663f03:0xb2835d5663319981!2m2!1d-84.9864264!2d42.2701855!1m5!1m1!1s0x8821eff6b7546c73:0x43abe8124311bd34!2m2!1d-84.7686779!2d43.8375853!1m5!1m1!1s0x4d35f4d4cbea2dcb:0xc0e575c9db13b23a!2m2!1d-84.732514!2d45.7786465!1m5!1m1!1s0x4d363982b2270663:0x98f2545611520dab!2m2!1d-84.3718045!2d46.4937877!1m5!1m1!1s0x4d35f5d84cf2b27d:0xfb93cd098f624a6b!2m2!1d-84.7376035!2d45.8568588!1m5!1m1!1s0x4d4e21d91d1a39bf:0x26c609c9c4b57fb5!2m2!1d-87.3501899!2d46.4881961!1m5!1m1!1s0x52afacccc68ba3d1:0x6ba31d5dfe1985dd!2m2!1d-92.0632088!2d46.8075135!1m5!1m1!1s0x52a6332052b03f75:0xe62733d548e09ada!2m2!1d-90.675011!2d47.647445!3e0?entry=ttu
 

EricV

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#11
One thing I have noted about the more than 10 waypoint results is the inability to scroll down through the side bar of waypoints. At some point I can't access the final ones if I want to adjust. Is there a way to overcome this?
 

EddyC

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#12
One thing I have noted about the more than 10 waypoint results is the inability to scroll down through the side bar of waypoints. At some point I can't access the final ones if I want to adjust. Is there a way to overcome this?
Well, I don't know if this is really a way to overcome this, but I do the following in my windows (7 Pro) system:
- when the number of waypoints fill the screen I decrease the zoom level to f.i. 80% with the "CTRL -" combination
- one can always go back to zoomlevel 100% or more with "CTRL+" but that decreases the view of the number of waypoints again
- that's the only way I could think of and so far I couldn't find an "official" way to scroll up and down the screen - sorry

btw in order to reserve more waypoints in one go (exceeding the 10) one could also concatenate the "+/" command characters:
e.g. +/+/+/+/ insertion before the @ sign (followed by one Enter/Return) results in 4 blank spaces to insert 4 new waypoints ...

Have fun.
Ed.
 
#14
Fantastic trick, Ed. I've been able to add enough "steering" waypoints to make the route I want.
I think a combo of google maps and just writing out directions will be what I stick with for now.

Eric,
Which automotive GPS do you use? Do you just stop and stow it away when the rain arrives?
 

EricV

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#15
Eric,
Which automotive GPS do you use? Do you just stop and stow it away when the rain arrives?
I have used various ones. dezl 760, 2797, nuvi 40LM. I liked the dezl 760 the best. Newer models exist now. The 40LMs are dirt cheap and fine for my local riding now. 50Lm waiting for a cradle at the moment. Seller mis-advertised it as a 40LM.

I never stow the GPS units for rain. I use some Gorilla tape or high quality HVAC tape to cover ports, speaker, power switch, etc. Minor rain isn't an issue. There are some good youtube videos about silicone sealing the edges of the screen too, but I haven't done that. If it's going to be a rain day, I'll toss a zip lock baggie over it and secure with a couple of hair tie bungies or large rubber bands. It's not optimal, but it's hugely cheaper than dedicated moto gps units and I'm not riding competitive rallies any more. (I did use the dezl 760 in rallies, and used two ancient 2610s for the '13 IBR.)

I have had water intrusion a few times. Screen gets wonky and it dries out the next day. Auto units are not the best method for motorcycles, but lots of people do use them. Greg Rice has some good info on his website about various auto units and waterproofing as well as other mods.
 
#16
The 40LM and 50LM really are dirt cheap... I could wreck 10+ and still have saved money over buying the moto-specific Zumo. I'll check out waterproofing for them, but that may be the route I take.

Do they work with BaseCamp still?
 

EricV

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#17
The 40LM and 50LM really are dirt cheap... I could wreck 10+ and still have saved money over buying the moto-specific Zumo. I'll check out waterproofing for them, but that may be the route I take.

Do they work with BaseCamp still?
I don't honestly know since I don't use BC. I never load routes into the GPS, I'm an old guy doing point to point nav. Always worked just fine for me, even in the IBR.
 
#18
The 40LM and 50LM really are dirt cheap... I could wreck 10+ and still have saved money over buying the moto-specific Zumo. I'll check out waterproofing for them, but that may be the route I take.

Do they work with BaseCamp still?
Jacob,

The 60LM and 65LM do work with basecamp. It is the mounts that are troublesome on the bikes. Have glued computer security D-rings on the back to tether them to the bike when they fall off the mounts.


-Mark
 
#19
Mark,

Good to know. Still dirt cheap and the larger screen size is probably nice. Good trick with the tether. How frequently do they pop off the mounts?
 

EricV

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#20
FWIW I always use RAM cradles for the 40lm and they will not come out by accident. The larger cradles come with sunshades in some sizes.