Nesting question: BB1500 and B2B combo certification?

#1
Hi all,

I live in the San Diego area near a couple possible border crossing to Mexico (Otay and San Ysidro). I'll be attending WeSTOC (http://westoc.org/) at the end of June which is held this year in the Calgary area and I thought this would be a perfect opportunity to secure a B2B and BB1500 (After years of "Iron Butting it" home from this event, I finally certified my return trip last August securing an official SS1000).

I've read through the nesting information here:

http://www.ironbutt.com/themerides/nesting.html

It seems that this ride combo could work but I wanted to confirm before I make my detailed plan of attack...but here is the general idea:

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Thanks!
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Ira

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#2
The basic rule is that if one ride by definition is completed within another, we only issue one certificate. So the question here is: can one finish the proposed B2B (in this case, a 1,631 mile border to border within 36 hours) without by definition completing a BB1500 (1,500 miles within 36 hours)? The answer is no - if you complete 1,631 miles in 36 hours, you have by definition completed 1,500 miles in 36 hours.

Ira Agins
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#3
Ah. the "Can not" factor matters here. Got it. So I'd have to choose in this case. Thank you for taking the time to explain. :)

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BMW RT Pilot

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#6
BUT...if you ride 1,500 miles of that B2B in under 24 hours, then you would qualify for a BBG AND B2B. However, if you can do the B2B in under 24 hours, that would be a B2B Gold. But, if you did complete a B2B Gold, then you wouldn't be eligible for a BBG because basically, it's the same ride.

My first BBG was 2018's Fool's Gold ride. I rode 1,606 miles in just under the 24 hour limit (and yes, there is a discrepancy there- certificate says 1,606 miles, the list says 1,591), and that was hitting many construction zones.

Just some food for thought...
 

Stephen!

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#7
BUT...if you ride 1,500 miles of that B2B in under 24 hours, then you would qualify for a BBG AND B2B. However, if you can do the B2B in under 24 hours, that would be a B2B Gold. But, if you did complete a B2B Gold, then you wouldn't be eligible for a BBG because basically, it's the same ride.

My first BBG was 2018's Fool's Gold ride. I rode 1,606 miles in just under the 24 hour limit (and yes, there is a discrepancy there- certificate says 1,606 miles, the list says 1,591), and that was hitting many construction zones.

Just some food for thought...
Oops... Never mind... I missed part of your original point.... :oops:
 
#8
I think once I get to Mesquite, NV on the proposed route i'll check time and energy level to decide whether it's going to be a B2B Challenge or a BBG and B2B Challenge combo. Would really like to combo it, but I think my brother will be coming along with me on this and I don't want to have to bail on him for this. If he's able to make this trip it will be the first time we've ridden together on a multiday trip in about 8 years. Priorities. :)

Anyway, Mesquite is about the 1200 mile marker, has cheap lodging at the casinos and seems like a good place as a check point!

Either way looking forward to this!

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#9
Update: Well, it doesn't look like my brother will be making the trip this year. Really bummed about that. Anyway, I was looking at the route and the idea to combine a BBG and B2B. It's 1622 miles to my home in Chula Vista, Ca. from the hotel in Calgary. If I can do those 1622 in less than 24 hours, I could technically sleep in my own bed, and then get up and ride the last 16 miles or so over the border for lunch or dinner in TJ completing the B2B! Hmmm....

Anyone want to meet me in TJ at The Pancake House to act as my witness? :)

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#11
After a week of not sleeping well during the rally, especially on the final night I completed the BB Gold and the B2B as planned. I found the BB Gold very difficult (especially the final 500 or so miles) due to this lack of sleep. I had to pull over every hour or so for a few minutes to make sure I was awake and alert. This used up the time I had in my "bank" so to speak but was necessary.
I slept for a solid 7 hours after making my house, woke up at 4PM as planned and made the final 16 miles over the southern border to complete the B2B also.

While I have been over this border (San Ysidro) many times I had not crossed using a motorcycle. I am glad I watched some of the lane splitting videos online prior to this. It saved me HOURS of time and went exactly as they showed (even when I ended up in the "General" lanes and was able to split all the way up to the vendors and barriers that separate the Ready Lanes from the General lanes. At that point a vendor quickly waved me through and half pointed / escorted me to a couple gaps in the barriers that a bike could pass through. I quickly switched switched the the Ready Lanes at which point I pulled up to another vendor and asked which lane was the best, she pointed and called #2 is moving the quickest. It was. I was through the whole mess in less than 15 mins.

I'll try and post some pictures and some other thoughts later this week. Thanks for the encouragement and the idea of the BB Gold / B2B combo. I'm planning the gather all the paperwork together and submit over the next couple weeks. Hopefully the rides are certified.

I have one question:

Since this is essentially two rides, does it require two separate forms or can I list both in the log / notes, etc and pay the fees for both?

Thank you for any guidance.

Dan
PS: You can see the current logs here: dmulk.blogspot.com
 

Ira

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#12
You can use a single set of paperwork, but indicate those entries related to the BBG, include a note that you want both certifications, and pay the fees to cover both rides (the BBG certificate fee is $20 in addition to the standard B2B fee).

Ira Agins
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#14
You can use a single set of paperwork, but indicate those entries related to the BBG, include a note that you want both certifications, and pay the fees to cover both rides (the BBG certificate fee is $20 in addition to the standard B2B fee).

Ira Agins
Iron Butt Association
Thank you Mr. Agins. Will do.
 
#15
Good job completing the rides, and thanks for the info about getting through the border quicker!
Thank you very much! I'll try and post the video I watched and some additional tips over the next few days. The new border crossing is very efficient. I had worried about crossing both borders in 36 hours and being pulled to secondary for inspection but it was painless at both borders. (especially with an RFID passport card to wave at the interface in the Ready Lanes at the mexican border). :)

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#16
These two videos show a good representation of why it's like to split to the San Ysidro border on the Mexico side. I'm glad I removed my side bags on my Super Tenere prior to crossing. If I had them with me, it would have been possible to split but it would have taken more time at the vendor carts. If I were to do this again, and had the side bags with me, I would remove them and stack them on my rear seat using Rock Straps before splitting. It would just make it easier. *Protip :)

I found the vendors very helpful and accommodating as well as the drivers waiting for HOURS....most would leave a gap near a vendor (as seen in the videos).






Cheers!
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