The basic rule for nested rides is if one ride by definition is completed within another, we only issue one certificate. For example, everyone who completes a Bun Burner GOLD (1,500 miles in 24 hours or less) has by definition completed a Saddlesore 1000 (1,000 miles in 24 hours or less) and a Bun Burner 1500 (1,500 miles in 36 hours or less). The fact is, one cannot complete the BBG without completing the other two rides. As a counter-example, one can complete a Bun Burner 1500 without necessarily completing a Saddlesore 1000 (e.g., one completes the first 1,000 miles in 25 hours but the 1,500 miles within 36 hours).

Sometimes, the analysis of multiple rides can get confusing, but let's give your combination a ride.

First, let's look at the Bun Burner Trifecta (three BBGs back-to-back-to-back)/Bun Burner GOLD rides. If one completes a BBG Trifecta, one has to have completed at least one BBG. So we issue the Trifecta certificate, but not the BBG.

Next, let's look at the BBG Trifecta (4,500 miles in 72 hours or less)/Saddlesore 2000 GOLD (2,000 miles in 36 hours or less). The rules for back-to-back rides is that one needs to complete each leg (1,500 miles in this case) within the standard time limit for that ride (24 hours or less in this case). So the question is whether one can complete 2,000 miles within 36 hours without necessarily completing 1,500 miles within 24 hours . The answer is yes. So, if this is correct, we could issue both the BBG Trifecta and Saddlesore 2000 certificates.

Next, let's look at the Saddlsore 2000/100ccc combination. Again, the back-to-back rules require you to complete each leg in 50 hours or less. The shortest distance for a 50cc is about 2,200 miles. So the question is if one can complete 2,200 miles in 50 hours without necessarily completing 2,000 miles in 36 hours. Again, the answer is yes. so at this point, we could certify the BBG Trifecta, the Saddesore 2000 GOLD, and the 100ccc.

Finally, the Saddlesore 5000. As a note, the Saddlesore 5000 (and 4000, 3000, and 2000) is not considered a back-to-back ride. That is, one needs to complete 5,000 within 5 days, not 1,000 each day for five days, if you see the distinction. Here, the question is if one can complete 5,000 miles in 120 hours (Saddlesore 5000) without necessarily completing 4,400 miles in 100 hours (100ccc) and can one complete 5,000 miles in 120 hours without necessarily completing 2,000 miles in 36 hours? If my analysis is correct, the answer is yes and yes.

To sum up, it looks like you could apply for the Saddlesore 5000, the BBG Trifecta, the Saddlesore 2000, and the 100ccc, but not the BBG.

To answer specific questions,

1. If by "would you ask for more or less than what's listed," you are referring to documentation, right? Each ride's documentation needs to conform to the rides' documentation requirements. For the nested rides, you don't need a seperate start witness if the rides are starting at the same time and place. If a ride starts during a larger ride, obtain a computer-generated receipt with time, date, and location to document that ride's start time. Similarly, you only need a witness at the end of the last ride. If a ride ends within a larger ride, obtain a computer-generated receipt with time, date, and location to document the end of the ride.

2. You pay full-boat for the most expensive ride and $20 (certificate-only) for each additional ride.

3. Use as many forms as needed to make clear each ride's documentation requirements.

4. See above.

If anyone spots something that doesn't look right, speak up - no one's perfect.

Ira Agins

Iron Butt Association