SS1K First

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Question from a discussion with
Someone today. I know IBA requires ,recommends a SS1K first and I’ve read the reasoning. I ride and train with current and former motor officers. If a retired motor officer attempted and completed and documented a 1500 before a SS1K would IBA approve it? If he decides to try should he ask for pre-approval to attempt?
 

igneouss

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#4
Some clarification might help: I believe there are two levels of '1500'. 1500 in 36 hours, 1500 in 24 hours, known as Bun Burner and Bun Burner Gold. I believe the Bun Burner is not considered 'extreme'.
Also, if you do a Bun Burner Gold you have inherently also completed a 1000 in 24 hours. In this case you cannot submit both together (nested rides). If the people doing the certification don't like your 1500 in 24 you could likely resubmit for 100 in 24 hours (mke sure you get the correct receipts.
With respect to the Bun Burner, It IS possible to do this ride without completing 1000 in 24 hours. It might be a good idea to plan this ride in a way that you get the 1000 in 24 during the 1500 in 36. This requires making sure you get the correct receipts at the correct time. Reading the rules you will note that the Start and End receipts for a specific ride get much more careful scrutiny than intermediate receipts.
Above all, have fun!
 
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EricV

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Question from a discussion with
Someone today. I know IBA requires ,recommends a SS1K first and I’ve read the reasoning. I ride and train with current and former motor officers. If a retired motor officer attempted and completed and documented a 1500 before a SS1K would IBA approve it? If he decides to try should he ask for pre-approval to attempt?
Being a motor officer has no impact. It's not about if you can ride, it's about not getting in over your head with respect to long distance riding. The SS1K and BB1500 rides are entry level rides. Doing one of those will tell you what you need to do more extreme rides. And nothing says you can't turn in a 1500 mile ride done in less than 24 hours as a Bun Burner 1500 instead of a BBG, but there are good reasons for not trying an extreme or Gold ride as your first IBA ride.
 

JAVGuzzi

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IMHO, a BB1500 is easier to do than a SS1K. I have done several BB1500's. I split the ride into two halves, each about 750 miles. At the end of the first half, I rode home and took a 3 hour snooze and then finished the last half of the ride.

On one of my BB1500 rides, I did a big circular loop x2. The first loop was done CW and the second CCW. That way I was able to observe both sides of the road during the ride.

A Great Lakes 100 is also a great first IBA ride. I did my first with my friend Allen ( RIP ) back in 2009. He was diabetic so we stopped each day for breakfast, lunch, and dinner where he kept track of his glucose level. We got about 7 hours sleep each night during the ride. We did the shortest route and finished in 96 hours. BTW, we took the free ferry from Kingston to Wolfe Island, rode to the other side of the island and then took the small ferry to Cape Vincent, NY. That was a nice break.

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rneal55555

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My First Ride ended up as a SS2000 we did however document a SS1000, and BB1500 along the way. we did the 1000 got a few hours of sleep and start day 2 not knowing how far we would get, I was picking up a Bushtec trailer on the second day and wasn't sure how long it would take, so we didn't know what we could get done.
 

Russ Black

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Don't forget there is a Bun Burner Silver. 1500 miles in < 30 hours.

As an FYI, below are the minimum average speeds to complete the rides discussed above:
41.6 Mph - Saddle Sore 1000 (24 Hours)
41.6 Mph - Bun Burner 1500 (36 Hours)
50.0 Mph - Bun Burner Silver 1500 (30 Hours)
62.5 Mph - Bun Burner Gold 1500 (24 Hours)
 
#11
I’ve got my IBA membership. Trying to plan a BunBurner Silver. 2 other IBA members may come as well. Motor Officer in question would like to come along and certify. The 2 others and myself could nest a SS1K within the BunBurner. Yes then the Motor Officer could certify at 1000 miles. Was looking for opinions if he could certify at the 1500 mark as well. I understand the reasoning behind SS1K being a start for most people. I also know Motor Officer status doesn’t mean someone can ride long distance. Personally I’ve ridden a 4 day ride with this Officer as he and others escort 600 plus motorcycles from Somerset Pa. To the pentagon and into time square and Ground Zero in NYC He would have zero problems with an attempt at 1500
Miles. Just trying to get a definite answer if a BumBurner silver would be approved for him if properly documented. Hope this clarifies my question. If he only would get the SS1K then guess that’s it.
 

EricV

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I don't think you can nest a BB Silver with a SS1K. If you did a SS1K in 24 hours, that only leaves you 6 hours to finish the last 500 miles, which would be an average speed of 83+ mph, over the legal limit for most of the US. I.E. If you completed a 1500 in 30 hour ride, by default you did a 1000 mile ride in 24 hours or less. No bueno on nesting the two.

The BB Silver ride page specifically states:
Before you can apply for one of these rides, you must have completed at least one of these rides:

--SaddleSore 1000
--SaddleSore 2000
--Bun Burner 1500 (1,500 miles in less than 36 hours)
--any rally recognized by the IBA in which your mileage can be accurately verified as complying with the requirements of one of the rides above.
The Motor officer can get a finish DBR at 1000+ miles, ( A buffer of ~5% is a good idea, just in case there are variations in the mapping software), then continue on to a 1500 and document that finish as a BB 1500 (not silver), ride with a nested SS1K inside it.

Just as an aside, nested rides only count as one ride towards a Mile Eater cert.

Certificate rides are really best done alone. Each rider can plan their own plan and follow their own needs.
 
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I don't think you can nest a BB Silver with a SS1K. If you did a SS1K in 24 hours, that only leaves you 6 hours to finish the last 500 miles, which would be an average speed of 83+ mph, over the legal limit for most of the US. I.E. If you completed a 1500 in 30 hour ride, by default you did a 1000 mile ride in 24 hours or less. No bueno on nesting the two.

The BB Silver ride page specifically states:


The Motor officer can get a finish DBR at 1000+ miles, ( A buffer of ~5% is a good idea, just in case there are variations in the mapping software), then continue on to a 1500 and document that finish as a BB 1500 (not silver), ride with a nested SS1K inside it.

Just as an aside, nested rides only count as one ride towards a Mile Eater cert.

Certificate rides are really best done alone. Each rider can plan their own plan and follow their own needs.
Had confirmation from Ira a SS1K can indeed be nested in a BunBurner Silver. My 2 SS1K have been done in 18 hours including a long sit down meal at turn around point. Took generous breaks to eat and hydration.
BunBurner 36 hours completed in 32 hours with nested SS1k and 4hours of sleep. Tighten up the fuel stops , no set down meal at turn. Ez pz BunBurner Silver. Route change from what was convenient to a little different start point will also save time.
The first and last half hour on my rides have been through small towns and 25 and 35mph limits. Next route start to interstate less than 2 minutes that will really help as well.
 
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Following is Ira’s response copied from my other post about nesting within a BunBurner Silver. I reread EricV’s post and see the requirements for the Silver rule out a first timer from claiming silver. General consensus seems that a new rider could nest a SS1K and Standard BunBurner if he does complete the ride with us although myself and 2 other IBA members can claim silver.

IRA’S copied response
Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer: The basic rule is that if one ride by definition is completed within another, we will only certify one ride. For example, everyone who completes a Bun Burner GOLD (1,500 miles in 24 hours or less) has by definition completed a Saddlesore 1000 (1,000 miles in 24 hours or less). So we would only certify the BBG.

On the other hand, it is possible to complete a Bun Burner 1500 (1,500 miles in 36 hours or less) without necessarily completing a Saddlesore 1000 (e.g., one completes the first 1,000 miles in 25 hours but 1,500 miles in the allowed 36 hours). The same is true for completing 1,500 miles in 30 hours - one could complete it without necessarily completing an SS1K. So we could certify both rides.

Ira Agins
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Ira

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#15
I stand by my remarks above.

You can, in fact, nest an SS1K within a BB1500 Silver.

These rides are done all over the world. So one could get on the German Autobahn and easily do it. Even in the US, Texas State Highway 130, also known as the Pickle Parkway, is about 130 miles long with an 85 mph speed limit.

So it is less a question of whether the local speed limits constrain where it can be done and more a question of if one ride by definition is completed within another.

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Ira

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#16
Let me clarify something.

Yes, one can nest an SS1K within a BB1500 Silver, but not as one's first IBA certificate ride. As Eric points out, in order for one to attempt the Bun Burner 1500 Silver, one first needs to become an IBA member by completing one of the rides Eric listed (Saddlesore 1000, Bun Burner 1500, etc.).

The reason we have that rule is because too many folks were attempting the more extreme rides, like the BBG, and ended up biting off more than they could chew. So we really want folks to first be certified prior to attempting something like the BB1500 Silver.

Bottom line - you can nest the two rides if you are currently an IBA member. You cannot nest an SS1K within a BB1500 Silver as your first IBA certificate ride.

But you could nest an SS1K within a Bun Burner 1500 as your first ride if you wish.

Sorry for any confusion.

Ira Agins
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