Tires for BMW GS

lakota,
Off topic but you have an RT and a GSA and experience on 1600GTL. if we should go to another thread we can but comment on those 3 bikes both for touring, rallying, joy riding etc. I love the GSA for many reasons and think it makes a good rally bike with the large fuel tank. I am going to rent an RT this summer in Europe and try that out in the Alps.
(GSA vs RT vs GTL)
The GTL is the best bike I have ever owned. With the Russel seat comfortable, quick, responsive, and a great rally bike. My wife loved the pillion position. The only reason I don’t have it any more is that after the 19 IBR I felt it had gotten to heavy for my 73 year old body so I went on a motorcycle diet and got the RT, which is about 150 pounds lighter. The RT is great but it hasn’t touched me yet quite like the GTL did. I am a GSA fan boy and have nothing but good to say about it. It will be my rally bike in the future.
 
Steven
Mostly solo but about 25% 2up
I do have a light hand which helps the mileage
 
lakota,
Off topic but you have an RT and a GSA and experience on 1600GTL. if we should go to another thread we can but comment on those 3 bikes both for touring, rallying, joy riding etc. I love the GSA for many reasons and think it makes a good rally bike with the large fuel tank. I am going to rent an RT this summer in Europe and try that out in the Alps.
(GSA vs RT vs GTL)
The GTL is the best bike I have ever owned. With the Russel seat comfortable, quick, responsive, and a great rally bike. My wife loved the pillion position. The only reason I don’t have it any more is that after the 19 IBR I felt it had gotten to heavy for my 73 year old body so I went on a motorcycle diet and got the RT, which is about 150 pounds lighter. The RT is great but it hasn’t touched quite like the GTL did. I am a GSA fan boy and have nothing g
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These are Motoz tractionator gps "150" with aprox 8500 miles on a 2022 R1250GSA, I've switched to "170" not enough miles yet to see if there is a difference
We saw worse cracking at the lugs on the 170 on a '16 R1200GSA. MotoZ recommended running the 150. We wore out the 170 and it never threw a lug, but it can be disconcerting.
 
Well for an update on the Dunlop Trailmax Missions. Installed on 4/5/24 and they have easily turned 13,100 miles without a problem. As others on this thread have suggested and now I can attest to, I think one can easily get 15,000 miles on a set of these. The pictures shown are at 13,100 miles and I am going to replace them before they are completely done out of convenience.

I do not change my own tires. I let the dealer do it and so it is convenient to get over 12,000 miles on a set so you can do it every other service interval. My dealer is a 1 hour ride from the house so I tend to just force the tire change onto the service interval visit.

I will echo what has been said that they are not as grippy as the michelin road 6, road 5 or the anakee adventure tires but clearly they last longer. Those other tires do fine up to about 9000 miles but above that they are getting very thin.

The debate can rage on. Im not sure what the best answer is here but clearly convenience and cost favor the TMMs. The michelin's would win on safety and spirited riding. On my GSA i could push the Michelins to the max lean angle of 46-47 degrees but generally i found it unsettling on the TMMs to go beyond 42 degrees.
 

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The michelin's would win on safety and spirited riding.
Your comments exactly mirror my experience with TMMs on my Multistrada. We all have different riding styles and preferences of course, but for me I will happily give up long wear for the safety and grip of the Michelins. I would only buy TMMs again if I were riding the IBR or similar.

I don't change my own tires either, but I do remove the wheels and bring those to the shop. I have a great local shop about a mile from my house that gives me a good price on tires and they mount/balance for free if I buy from them. It's convenient enough for me and R&Ring a wheel from my bike is a five minute job.

Edit: having praised the Michelin Road 6, I'm currently running a set of Dunlop Roadsmart IVs, which are now available in sizes for the GS and Multi. I'll be interested to see how they compare to the Michelins.
 
While not a GS or GSA I ran the TMM's on my Triumph Tiger1200XCX They did well , but the down side was their weight . It immediately affected the bikes turn in and transition from side to side . The rear was 3 pounds heavier than other 170's and the front was over 2 lb heavier . I honestly hated how much they affected the handling although their grip was pretty good. I took them off at 78xx miles and put them on a friends KTM 1290 Super adventure S for him to try . He ran them to 14k for rear and nearly 18 k for the front . Now he has a brand new set on as he really likes the millage .


This photo was California and only the Front was a TMM the rear was a TKC 70 Rocks . 2af4ebb327e0aafed32daf89a579ea39.jpg
 
I liked 38F/42R psi for fully loaded tar riding. Dropping 10-12 psi for dirt/trail riding. Usually not dropping pressures for gravel roads. Temps in the desert ran from 20C to 45C+ for my riding conditions. Note that MotoZ marks their tires differently, the sidewall marking is not max pressure like other tires, but the pressure used for testing. It's not the max pressure for the tire.

@RoadWraith - I'm not Keith, but for the IBR I ran Heidenau K60 Scouts and did a rear tire change at checkpoint 2. I actually had the take off rear shipped back home and wore it out later. I could have finished the rally on one set of tires, but did not want to ride the last 10% of the rally on the last 10% of my rear tire. Considering the high winds and torrential rain on the last day with a hard push against the clock, that was a sound move on my part. I would not have wanted to ride that last night in the rain on a nearly worn out rear tire.

Generally speaking, the staff recommended shop is worthless. (every year is different) In '13 they were unwilling to be available off the clock for riders and asked us to make reservations for service times that would have been on the clock. I found a small Indi shop and shipped my tire and some other supplies there well in advance. That shop serviced many bikes and worked late into the night on a Sunday, thrilled to be making good money. Regardless of which checkpoint you decide to do a tire change at, find a shop willing to be available off the clock for your needs.

FWIW, I shipped my tire in a box, tossed in some socks and other supplies I would need, AND a return UPS label for the tire/box weight. I made a point of telling the shop to keep the box, as I'd be re-using it to ship the take off tire home. Worst case, if the tire was shot, I'd grab the label and get it refunded after the rally. That worked well for that time BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO3 Review. Another time the shop tossed the box and I ended up paying some extra to ship the bare tire, IIRC.
Most GS riders going more toward IBA rides use road-biased tires like the Michelin Road 6, Metzeler Tourance Next, Michelin Anakee Adventure, or Bridgestone Battlax A41. They ride smoother, last longer, and still handle light dirt roads well compared to dual-sport options.
 
Most GS riders going more toward IBA rides use road-biased tires like the Michelin Road 6, Metzeler Tourance Next, Michelin Anakee Adventure, or Bridgestone Battlax A41. They ride smoother, last longer, and still handle light dirt roads well compared to dual-sport options.
Nothing short of car tires lasts longer than the TMMs. I've certainly been critical of the TMMs, but no way do any of the tires you listed last longer. I don't have stats, but I suspect they were the most popular tire run by GS riders in this year's IBR.
 
Indeed I will echo what Keithu has said here for sure. There is no motorcycle tire that I have found that compares to TMMs. I rode the IBR this year with them and logged over 13,000 associated miles on a set of them for that event (9600 miles in the rally itself) and they had so much treadlife left that I didnt even bother changing them after the rally. A companion did the same thing and got 17,000 miles easily out of a set. I will change my rally TMMs at 18,000 total miles. They do not have as much traction as Michelins on the road or in the wet but if you need a long distance tire on a GS/GSA this is the way to go. I enjoyed the rally this year and I will say that running a rally of that order without worrying about a tire change is an advantage.

I also own a k1600GTL and have started logging many miles on this but there is no comparable long distance option for the GTL. I think the serious long distance riders use a car tire for logging 10,000+ miles on a set for the GTL. I am very reluctant to go this direction however.
 
Most GS riders going more toward IBA rides use road-biased tires like the Michelin Road 6, Metzeler Tourance Next, Michelin Anakee Adventure, or Bridgestone Battlax A41. They ride smoother, last longer, and still handle light dirt roads well compared to dual-sport options.
You lack experience and were not focused on the context of my post. I’ve run PRs and Tourance Next and a lot of other tires and they won’t last as long as a K60 Scout. And none will outlast a TMM, as Keith pointed out.

You are also responding to a thread with the last post almost a year old. No new input was needed, if someone else started asking questions, reply away with your personal, first hand experience. Otherwise, leave the old posts alone. Two more cents isn’t required. ;)
 
Nothing short of car tires lasts longer than the TMMs. I've certainly been critical of the TMMs, but no way do any of the tires you listed last longer. I don't have stats, but I suspect they were the most popular tire run by GS riders in this year's IBR.
For some of us GS riders though, it is more about comfort while riding 7-9 thousand miles than about longevity, especially for us old folks! Now if I was riding IBR kind of miles, my opinion & goals may be different.
 
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For some of us GS riders though, it is more about comfort while riding 7-9 thousand miles than about longevity, especially for us old folks! Now if I was riding IBR kind of miles, my opinion & goals may be different.
For sure, if you prioritize things like comfort and traction there are better choices. If you need a tire that still has visible tread after 18k+ miles it's hard to beat the TMM.
 
For sure, if you prioritize things like comfort and traction there are better choices. If you need a tire that still has visible tread after 18k+ miles it's hard to beat the TMM.
My R1300GS came with the Metzeler Tourance Next tires on it when I bought it last July. I ran the Michelin PR’s on my R1250GS prior to that. I am on my second set of Metzeler Tourance Next tires on my 1300. Impressed with the ride & longevity of that tire. The 1300 is my first experience with Metzeler.
 
My R1300GS came with the Metzeler Tourance Next tires on it when I bought it last July. I ran the Michelin PR’s on my R1250GS prior to that. I am on my second set of Metzeler Tourance Next tires on my 1300. Impressed with the ride & longevity of that tire. The 1300 is my first experience with Metzeler.
My local tire guy couldn't get Metzelers through their distributor (Helmet House) so I haven't tried them in a long time. Alas, local tire guy went out of business recently (doing me too many favors, probably) so I will probably buy my own tire mounting hardware and start mail ordering. I'm interested to hear how the Tourance grips (wet and dry) and wears. I used to run the Road 6 on my Multistrada but the Dunlop Roadsmart IV has set a new high bar for me.
 
My local tire guy couldn't get Metzelers through their distributor (Helmet House) so I haven't tried them in a long time. Alas, local tire guy went out of business recently (doing me too many favors, probably) so I will probably buy my own tire mounting hardware and start mail ordering. I'm interested to hear how the Tourance grips (wet and dry) and wears. I used to run the Road 6 on my Multistrada but the Dunlop Roadsmart IV has set a new high bar for me.
I have 11500 miles on the R1300GS & had them replaced ~ 9K miles. However, when it comes to tires, I am most likely considered very conservative, so probably could have got another 3000 miles on them. They grip just fine for me in wet & dry conditions. What sold me is they are very quiet on the road unlike some others.
 
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For some of us GS riders though, it is more about comfort while riding 7-9 thousand miles than about longevity, especially for us old folks! Now if I was riding IBR kind of miles, my opinion & goals may be different.
Yea the TMM was all about longevity for me. I started using it prior to the IBR this year because i wanted to be confident in a tire that would go the distance and i was willing to sacrifice for that. I thought the rolling comfort on the tire was better than the tread suggests. I had a tendency to push my lean angles pretty hard in the turns and on my gsa prior to using the TMM i would frequently go to max lean on the gsa. 42 degrees almost every ride and occasionally hitting 45-46 but i found the TMM to be a little unsettling above 40 degrees with some minor slips in the turn particularly with throttling the apex and so i tended to settle for max leans of 35-39 with that tire and accepted it. I dont have much ambition for actually swapping out my own tires but i got in a rhythm changing tires with my 6000 oil services and skipping a tire at the larger and more expensive 12,000 mile valve services and that expense saving was enjoyable. My average motorcycle trip is 4000-6000 miles and the longer tire change interval made the ergonomics of change easier too but alas im back to 6000 mile intervals on the gtl. Im sure for many on this thread there isnt much to be gleaned here as we beat this dead horse but picking the perfect tire will be debated until hell freezes over im sure. That said for the gs/gsa platform having a tire solution that can allow you to finish an ibr without a tire change was a God send. Logging 900-1000 miles each day of the rally was challenging enough without having to worry about scheduling motorcycle maintenance. I experienced 5 consecutive days of temps > 100 F in this year’s rally and i was doing all that i can to simply stay cool through that. My only maintenance was adding a liter of fresh oil to the gsa at 9000 miles into the rally. I finished the rally with 95,000 miles on my gsa and so naturally i will forever appreciate the 1250 platform as a reliable ride for a brutal event. I would probably buy a 1300gsa if i contemplate the 2027 ibr if it happens. I love my gtl but i wouldnt want to use it in a rally without an accessory tank and a tire solution….
 
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2025 IBR, Michelin Pilot Road 6. 14000 miles, replaced the rear only. Still riding the front at 16000 miles. I'll probably replace the front for winter riding. Super pleased with the performance.
 
I am not a knee dragger but I do ride a few miles. I have ridden over 160,000 on GSA’s and ridden a 48/10, 2019 IBR and 2 rides to Central America and Panama on my GSA’s.

I have tried Bridgestone, Dunlop and Michelin tires and have found that if they are round and made out of rubber they work fine for me.
 
For me out in Australia I'm just putting K60s or harder on up in the hardness range like Motoz Tractionators and TMM because our roads are just shit bad and poor.
A freeway here is a two lane in the US.
Our roads are not Tyre friendly, and they are not quick either.
Stuff turns up like poor surface alignment and leveling. Single lane gravel. Half assed single lane tar with 3mtr wide shoulders in QLD and NT.
The crap that's served up in the Wimmera in Victoria as the A8 Western Highway. Thats Melbourne to Adelaid then just use a K60 or up cos it will absorb the crap and stick enough. MOTOZ Traction Ator GPS and the TMM are way hard and schizophrenic in the lightest mist, but they last and spilt and last and last and last.
You come from a duelsport background. Youll find you want to go down that other track regardless of the plan.
Pilot Roars are a great Tyre. If you can find AVON Distanzier Tyre then fit the things cos, they are a best Tyre by two whole worlds.
The dDstanziers converted a road bike into an all-roads bike for over a decade for me.
 
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