Comments - Australian Specific Rides

[cjmckay]

ANZAC Day Ride Clarification: I've read the rules and this thread. Just wanted to check on the rules re: time. If you attend the ANZAC service to commence your ride - does the time clock start at the start of the service or at the time on your first DBR (typically obtained after the conclusion of the service)?

The wording in the rules "This is an annual ride, to be started or concluded by attendance at an ANZAC Day Dawn Service." could be interpreted that the 'ride starts' by attendance at the Dawn Service and therefore the duration of the service is included in the 24 hour (e.g. for a SS1600K) time limitation.

Pondering an attempt.....

 

[Skidoo]

Good question Cameron.

The ride can be challenging and we have members who participate in the Dawn Service or in a support capacity.

In good faith, as long as the ANZAC dawn service is attended, and a dated DBR is obtained at either end and the rules are adhered to there won’t be an issue.

For example, service commences at 06:00hrs. The rider commences his ride at 06:00 and concludes by 06:00 within the 24hr window completing the ride near where the service commences. In the spirit of the ride, the rider then attends the full service, not part of It. Conversely, the ride may commence at the conclusion of the service with a DBR obtained within a reasonable time of the service concluding.

Hope this helps.

 

[Hopey]

It just hasn't worked out for me to get my first ride in but with ANZAC looming and I actually have the day off I was thinking of giving it a crack. yeah yeah I believe it when I see it - I keep telling myself.
So hope you are ok with it ACTCapo I'll going to copy yours as I like the idea of coming home (even through it might be a 4 day weekend for some) on the freeway late at night back out to Michelago.

https://goo.gl/maps/KtQHb3stavCsSfSt5

The only difference is I'll attend the Jerrabomberra
Dawn Service adjacent to the Jerrabomberra Hotel.
Service assembles from 5.30am.
There is the Ampol Servo to fill up to get the First and Last DBR

Anyone want to join me so I don't pull out?

Hopey

 

[ACTCapo]

Go for it mate!

 

[cjmckay]

Good question Cameron.

The ride can be challenging and we have members who participate in the Dawn Service or in a support capacity.

In good faith, as long as the ANZAC dawn service is attended, and a dated DBR is obtained at either end and the rules are adhered to there won’t be an issue.

For example, service commences at 06:00hrs. The rider commences his ride at 06:00 and concludes by 06:00 within the 24hr window completing the ride near where the service commences. In the spirit of the ride, the rider then attends the full service, not part of It. Conversely, the ride may commence at the conclusion of the service with a DBR obtained within a reasonable time of the service concluding.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the advice - still toying with the idea. Didn't want to lead anyone astray by not following both 'the intent' and 'the requirements' of the rules - interpretation is a funny thing. The plan is to attend Dawn service then get DBR (now to go hunting for where I'll be able to get said receipt) then hit the road. Route (very tentative): Arncliff (Sydney) - Narrandera via Parkes - Zeerust - Albury - Canberra - Sydney. The route is tight (GoogleMaps saying 1626km).

I guess that begs the next question... The receipt in Canberra? Does it have to say Canberra on it (looking at possibly McDonalds and/or EG Fuel Canberra Gateway (41 Federal Hwy, Lyneham (a suburb of Canberra), ACT). Although the bigger challenge might be getting a DBR in Zeerust (may have to be a photo outside the school).... (I will have the SPOT running...)

 

[Biggles]

Can't help you with "Canberra", but I have asked for certificates to show "Brisbane" and "Melbourne" when I want them to read that way, but the dockets had suburban names.
Regarding Zeerust, I used Applethorpe also which only has a school, then got a docket about 3 km down the highway near Stanthorpe. I hit the SPOT message button at each of the letter locations.

 

[cjmckay]

Can't help you with "Canberra", but I have asked for certificates to show "Brisbane" and "Melbourne" when I want them to read that way, but the dockets had suburban names.
Regarding Zeerust, I used Applethorpe also which only has a school, then got a docket about 3 km down the highway near Stanthorpe. I hit the SPOT message button at each of the letter locations.

Thanks - Given the Zeerust had been used before I was sure someone had a solution. Was going to hit the SPOT message button (I program my SPOT Custom message button with the text "IBA Receipted Stop"). If the ride goes ahead, there is likely to be a fuel stop a km or so away at Shepperton North. Ride plan is coming together so we'll see what happens over the next week or so.

 

[Skidoo]

Thanks for the advice - still toying with the idea. Didn't want to lead anyone astray by not following both 'the intent' and 'the requirements' of the rules - interpretation is a funny thing. The plan is to attend Dawn service then get DBR (now to go hunting for where I'll be able to get said receipt) then hit the road. Route (very tentative): Arncliff (Sydney) - Narrandera via Parkes - Zeerust - Albury - Canberra - Sydney. The route is tight (GoogleMaps saying 1626km).

I guess that begs the next question... The receipt in Canberra? Does it have to say Canberra on it (looking at possibly McDonalds and/or EG Fuel Canberra Gateway (41 Federal Hwy, Lyneham (a suburb of Canberra), ACT). Although the bigger challenge might be getting a DBR in Zeerust (may have to be a photo outside the school).... (I will have the SPOT running...)

Many locations within Canberra, eg suburbs do not have Canberra listed on the receipt, they are still within Canberra therefore they are not an issue.

The general IBA rules are very clear; it is up to the rider to prove they have done the ride. Sometimes your have to think outside the box, all you have to do is prove you successfully completed the ride.

Wombattle and myself did a Trans-Australia ride, there were no ATM’s, or independent start witnesses for the return journey. We each provided three pieces of proof of the exact start time and location of the ride.

Planning and strategising is the fun part, many rides have their own inherit challenges and opportunities for the rider to problem solve.

 

[ACTCapo]

Mine was approved with a photo at Zeerust and a corner docket at Euroa. For Canberra, just get a photo at the big Australian Capital Territory sign at the border on your way in and a fuel receipt a couple of km down the road as you plan to (the EG is pretty much right on the corner again) and I can’t see that being a problem either. I’d be pissed off if that was rejected.

 

[cjmckay]

Thanks for the info. I figured a photo at Zeerust (and a SPOT message) should do the job. Plan (at this stage) is to pick up fuel in Shepparton and then head back north. I'd rather plan and ask the questions now than spend a day on the road only to have a 'different interpretation of the rules' come into play.

 

[tj189]

Cameron,
One of the great things I enjoy about our sport of LDRiding, is exactly what you are doing at the moment with the planning of your ANZAC Day Ride. The most enjoyment, for me, is riding my plan to complete the ride successfully. This is the hard part due to the chances of something not quiet going to plan e.g., fatigue sneaking in ensuring that I stop for a rest, the camera failing, road blocks, weather change, planned fuel station closed and the list goes on. Within in all of these challenges the last one we face is the verification of the ride. How do I prove that I rode to the places that I have said that I rode to. A DBR is the most accepted form, however, in some cases this may not be possible and the use of Spotwalla, photographs (that have gps co-ord) etc., may be used to assist in showing your locations along with an explanation in your ride log. I also note that you intend on picking up fuel some eight minutes away from Zeerust, in which case you will be able to collect a DBR (see above requirements). This is exactly what you have shown in you planning above, well done!!

Your planning fits in with the ride rule requirements:

Take a photograph of the chosen location and obtain a DBR from a business close to this location and include with your application at the completion of your ride. ​

It is strongly recommended that you use SpotWalla to track your ride. Your SpotWalla track, may be used in collaboration with your general ride receipts to assist in verifying your collection of the lettered location points.​

Great advice from those above in supporting you, thank you all.

 

[cjmckay]

Thanks TJ. Got a SPOT (and associated SpotWalla account) in preparation of my first ride so got that covered. The rest is planning and trying to make sure that 'my interpretation' is the 'common interpretation' of the rules, as written.
For things like this, I prefer to run with the 6 Ps. I figure that gives me the best chance to know what 'float' I have in terms of time if something does go wrong. A former boss of mine (who I still have the utmost respect for) used to say to me "A day in reconnaissance can save you weeks in battle."

 

[Gatey]

From the specific ride rules

"To make the planning and the ride more challenging, a further requirement must be completed, namely to spell ANZAC, by visiting locations in the right order and obtaining proof as per IBA rules. For instance, Allan Hegelund completed a SS1600K by starting in Adelaide continuing on to Nhill, Zeerust, and Albury before finishing in Chisholm."

My comments.
Interesting Allan got the burb of Chisholm as his finish location. Canberra general area is I believe just way to broad a bush stroke for evidence when it clearly has plenty of places that can provide either DBRs or very easy photographic evidence of a location. Specifically a "C".
From a brief look at google maps places like Chifley, Curtin, Cooms, Campbell, Calwell, Calvery and Chisholm all have shops and 24/7 BP just off Isabella Drive as in the case of Chisholm easy access to a photo of the fire station clearly marked Chisholm Fire Station. Casey, if your coming in from Murrumbateman has a Casey Market Town and a Seven11 this being 24/7 trading and photo ops evident.

The classic photo identifier of Canberra would have to be The National War Memorial. Kind of covers it very well. Access from Fairbairn Ave onto a precinct drive to the southwest corner of the main building and walking distance to I think Poppys Cafe?

Hmm now that's got me planning too.

 

[cjmckay]

That's the interesting thing @Gatey - and hence the questions. The rules are the rules... but then it is obvious that some people have played it one way (City) and others another (Suburb). Even your example above (without knowing Allan's specific start point) shows this to be the case for 'Adelaide' - which could have been a suburb of Adelaide and not the city centre itself. That said - it is interesting to see what other's 'thresholds'. This is the sort of 'misinterpretation' I'm trying to avoid (being a relative newcomer to the game...)

 

[Gatey]

Hi Cameron.
I hope this post will clarify the rules.
Its not about city or suburb. Its about getting the evidence of the location.

One person post he has had trouble getting a DBR with Canberra printed on it. That should have been sorted in the planning stage.
Part of the planning is to confirm a DBR with all that data or find an alternative either by finding a location close by with the same letter and a usable DBR or as per the example of the National War Memorial. An iconic feature not replicated any other place in Australia or New Zealand as evidence with a time stamped photo add in texting the image off to family member or site member and the spot track if you us spot.

Lets roll back to the most significant item a rider needs to prove they attended a place. at a time on a day. A DBR.

How one researches that so they have a credible DBR that works and is relevant to that location is all part of the planning. Its critical.

Allan went in to the CBD and obtained an ATM from memory, showing Adelaide on the DBR.

Allans case. No it was not a suburb of greater Adelaide. If it was a suburb of Adelaide it would have had to start with the letter A therefore being not Adelaide but the suburbs of say... Aldinga or Applecross.or . no there is I think no other suburbs starting with the letter A in the greater Adelaide area and Aldinga is a long straw. But Aldinga is not Adelaide though it does start with A. And for that very reason would too have been suitable.

Geographically this is a very simple ride with not one reason to find difficulty obtaining any part of the letters required as a string of DBRs

The location name on the DBR is the name of the place. The DBRs are the evidence that the ride went to those locations. And what the IBA ask you regards the place names for the certificate ( as Biggles mentioned) are two different things.

This requirement in the route planning stage for some on occasion seems to be lost .
A classic example of a requirement to finish at a place was the muster to Renmark. The ride rules required the ride to finish at Renmark.
If you drop onto the A20 you will note Renmark South. If you obtained a DBR bellow 23street your not in Renmark. If you grabbed you DBR at the OTR, Hungary Jacks,Maccas complex you are in Renmark and have fulfilled the rules and the intent of those rules.
Good planning will make that distinction of locations evident.
Aside there is a Renmark West ( west of Bookmark Ave? and Renmark North. Boundary I'm unsure.

I hope that helps Cameron. Your questions are not only helping you prevent misinterpretation but also helping others that read this topic.
All part of the route planning stage. Well done.

 

[cjmckay]

Advice noted with thanks. A little more planning it is...

 

[ACTCapo]

Advice noted with thanks. A little more planning it is...

don’t over think it.

 

[cjmckay]

yeah... nah.... maybe ?

 

[tj189]

yeah... nah.... maybe ?

As you mentioned befor Cameron - 6 P's

 

[cjmckay]

OK - (re)reading the rules again.... seeking clarification....
"The Ride - Rules" state "To make the planning and the ride more challenging, a further requirement must be completed, namely to spell ANZAC, by visiting locations in the right order and obtaining proof as per IBA rules."

To me, this would imply/mean "Get your DBR and take a photo with your odometer reading." (i.e. BAU)

But under "For riders of both countries:" is states "Take a photograph of the chosen location and obtain a DBR from a business close to this location and include with your application at the completion of your ride. "

So, does that mean there is an expectation/requirement of a 2nd photo at each (A-N-Z-A-C) location? One being '...of the chosen location...' and the other being '...a DBR (as per the IBA rules)."?

There is a difference between '... OF the chosen location..' and '...AT the chosen location...'.

@ACTCapo - yes, I'm probably overthinking it.
@tj189 - 6 P's in action.

FYI - At this stage it looks like it is a 'go' for this ride. New spot lights now installed on the new bike (didn't that take some work?). I would like to have had more time to give the bike a good shake down after doing this work before the ride. Looks like it will be a group of 2 (myself and the gent who was unable to do the last ride due to illness). To add a twist, one of the previous group is also doing a SS1600K (departing earlier in the morning prior to the dawn service) however not doing the ANZAC bit - with the aim that we are chasing him time-wise to catch up with him before nightfall.