IRA, I get the first example, that makes sense completely. but if one didn't complete the first 1,000 miles in less than 24 hrs, why would both certs be issued, or rather which two certs could be issued?

So does that mean if I'm doing the Pines to Palms Gold (P2PG approx 2300 miles) in 48 hours (The Defined Ride), I can't earn a BBG 1500 in the first 24 hrs of the P2PG 48hrs, or a Saddlesore 2000 as I pass through the 2000 miles on my way to the finish of the P2PG?

I think you misunderstand.

I should have said "So we could issue both certificates assuming one successfully completes both rides." I mean, what's the point, for example, of awarding both a Saddlesore 1000 and a Bun Burner GOLD certificate on the same ride - if you completed 1,500 miles in 24 hours, it's obvious you also completed 1,000 miles in 24 hours.

I prefer to leave the analysis of specific cases as an exercise for the reader

, but I take a shot here.

In the first instance, the question is "can I get awards for completing both a 2,300-mile/48-hour ride and a 1,500-mile/24-hour ride at the same time?" In other words, if you if you finish the longer ride, have you by definition completed the shorter ride? The answer is no, you haven't. One can complete the longer ride without finishing the shorter ride (e.g., the first 1,500 miles in 25 hours but the 2,300 miles within 48 hours.) And because one is not by definition completed within another, we can issue both certificates (just be sure to document your location with a receipt at the 1,500-mile/48-hoour mark).

In the second instance, the question is "can I complete 2,300 miles in 48 hours without necessarily completing 2,000 miles in 48 hours?" The answer here is that you obviously cannot complete one without completing the other. So we would issue one or the other but not both.

Clear as mud?

Ira Agins

Iron Butt Association