Thanks David and appreciate your insight. RIP John... We have the historic Peabody here in Memphis Dave McQ if you haven't stayed there and seen the ducks?!?! Nice place for a Memphis In-City witness to stay. Jack Smith and I spoke in JAX last month about his Indianapolis In-City Saddlesore and he explained the "on-scene" witness so that seems to alleviate the need for multiple DBRs. Interesting was his Spotwalla track on his phone. First thing I thought of was the Spirograph of the 1970's. I presume I propose when I submit the route for approval, points where I obtain a starting and ending DBR, and also my fuel stops throughout and where the approved witness would be?