What is a Scooter?

OldCrow

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#1
Hello,
How does IBA define a scooter? I see the Gold rides being under 300cc. But what characteristics must a vehicle have to be a "Scooter"? For example does a Honda C125 Super Cub rate being a scooter? It has foot pegs but still a step through design and small displacement.

According to wiki California rates anything under 149cc and faster then 30mph is "Motor-Driven Cycle.....commonly referred to as "scooters"". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_(motorcycle)#California

Would we call a Burgman 650 a scooter but not a Super Cub C125??

Just a mid winter head scratcher. I saw a Burgman Executive the other day and could not believe the size of it. When I grew up the Honda Elite 250cc was the biggest scooter to hit these(USA) shores :)
 
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Ira

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#3
Hello,
How does IBA define a scooter? I see the Gold rides being under 300cc. But what characteristics must a vehicle have to be a "Scooter"? For example does a Honda C125 Super Cub rate being a scooter? It has foot pegs but still a step through design and small displacement.
I'm checking with Mike on what definition he wants to use.

Ira Agins
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Ira

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#6
No word yet. So for the moment, please drop me a PM or email if you plan on a scooter ride and we'll provide an answer on a case-by-case basis.

As Justice Potter Stewart wrote in affirming Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964), ""I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it. . ." :)

Ira Agins
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OldCrow

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#7
As Justice Potter Stewart wrote in affirming Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964), ""I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it. . ." :)
I agree Scooters are Obscene ;)
 

EricV

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#8
It will be interesting to see where the Mini-Moto class of bikes falls, scooter or motorcycle. In functional terms, Mini-Moto bikes struggle to get to 60 mph, if capable of that at all. Whereas something like a CB125 or Kawasaki Eliminator is clearly a motorcycle, but still would struggle at highway speeds.

Perhaps the most clear definition of scooter Vs motorcycle would be engine layout. A horizontal engine being "scooter" and vertical being "motorcycle"? Virtually all traditional scooters are horizontal engine and CVT trans. Mini-motos can be traditional clutch or semi-auto as well as CVT, but all are horizontal engine layout. Maxi scooters like the Suzuki Bergman are also horizontal engine layout, despite being much larger displacement.
 
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Chris Wiltshire

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#11
Hi. Sorry to kick off an old thread again, but wondering if a Honda SilverWing (600cc) would qualify for a scooter certificate?? I have a rider here (NZ) who is about four days away from doing his ride. TIA
Chris
 

EricV

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#12
I'm no IBA official, but the Maxi Scooters are still scooters with CVT transmissions. That said, there isn't really any reason to turn in a SS1K cert ride on the Silverwing as a Scooter SS1K, it's no more challenging than most motorcycles. Good weather protection, plenty of power, etc. I'd just turn it in as a regular SS1K. The Scooter designation doesn't really mean anything when you're on a maxi scooter, imho.
 
#14
Well thats all good then so I am keen to take my scooter on another ride since the Scout is off the road and I have been told that there is a special certificate in May, can you tell me more. Cheers Julian.
 

EricV

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#15
@2018scout - Welcome to the forum. You're going to have to be a little more specific than that. You can do a Scooter SS1K when ever suits you. Or longer scooter rides, if you wish. As for a special certificate in May, You're going to have to elaborate a bit more to narrow that down.